News and Plans
Hi all,
Finally we are able to give you some of the Utopia news that you have been waiting for.
Let me start by saying that both of the Utopia servers will restart on November 3rd, as I know that the Question and Answer forum has a few threads about this.
I also have some news about the sign-up system for the game, which we are modifying. From November 3rd onwards you will have only one user account, which can be tied to multiple game accounts - although we will still allow only one game account per server. This means that you will access both your World of Legends and Genesis game accounts via one master account.
We are additionally going to trial a limited form of trading/targeted kingdom selection. In practice, this will mean that next round you will have a limited number of chances to perform different actions. You will be able to either move your province to the kingdom of your choice – with consent from the monarch of that kingdom, and provided the kingdom actually has space for you, or you may swap provinces with someone else – with consent of both players, or finally you may take over an existing province - which would naturally destroy any province which you may already have.
Please note however that this system is experimental, and is likely to only be available to you on the World of Legends server.
A new premium feature will be introduced at the same time which will allow formal account sitting.
Last, but not least, you will be pleased to hear that the game manuals have having a re-vamp and a re-write which is progressing nicely, although we can’t promise that they will be ready for the start of the new age.
October 17th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
you should change oop time to 11am GMT, just so you guys can be up to see that everything goes smoothly ofc, not because i dont want to get up at an ungodly hour :D
October 17th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
“A new premium feature will be introduced at the same time which will allow formal account sitting.” Paying to xlog. Good job OMAC.
October 17th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I hope you wont allow unrestricted trading!
I have 3 kids, a wife, and I take care of 6 mentally handicapped people. Including myself, thats 11 possible accounts from this location. I’m sure I can find 14 other nearby friends whom I’ll convince to play. 25 accounts from one location is going to hurt this game.
October 17th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
I have always thought it would be great to allow people to be in kingdoms with the players they want, this will help with reducing inactives at the very least. I do like that change. Not quite sure about the pay to babysit an account. What I would like to see if the bonuses brought back that you used to get when you purchased a platinum account. I never understood why that was taken away in the first place, because it took away any reason to upgrade to platinum.
October 17th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Hmm.. ending gen and wol on the same date? Will they both start the same date too?
October 17th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
@Bishop - *thats no good - all the Brits head to the pub at 11:30!
Restarting both Gen & WoL together?? Stand by for server overload! That’ll probably screw up our election, too! Ofc thats already happened, but…
October 17th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Having an account trading system is like suddenly legalizing drugs. It’s been illegal for so long but so many people still doing it o.O
I think it’ll be good overall, but it’s gonna create a bigger gap b/t elite kingdoms and ghettos, and also would limit the chance to meet new people from halfway across the globe :/
October 17th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Oh, and be ready to name it the “Age of the SK Returns”!
WHy not just nuke Gen and use that server for ppl who just *need to trade and xlog and generally cheat & steal!
October 17th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
“or finally you may take over an existing province - which would naturally destroy any province which you may already have.”
Best thing would be for the kingdom to keep the province if they wish. If the province is destroyed then how will anyone be able to take over it?
October 17th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
should be a rule like waiting 4 ages or something before you can choose what kingdoms to swap into. Also unless you have a very good way of detecting proxy servers and such, account sitting is just bad. If you want to give platnum members some props, make a small server like genesis that only they can play on and let them do whatever on there. just my take.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
“or finally you may take over an existing province - which would naturally destroy any province which you may already have.”
Best thing would be for the kingdom to keep the province if they wish. If the province is destroyed then how will anyone be able to take over it?
Wrong. You would keep the account….Lots of people would keep the account, but what’s the difference between keeping the account and letting someone take over the account?
PICK ME!!! PICK ME!!! I KNOW!!!
Oh that’s right if they don’t actually give YOU the account it’s much harder for you to x-log very affectively or play two accounts….
Silly Stella.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Please clarify.. Do you mean swapping accounts, or swapping provinces in a kingdom… Because there is an issue with swapping provinces.
If you swap provinces, you can easily trade a better province from 1 kingdom, for a not as good province in another kingdom…
Lets say kingdom 1 is going for NW, while Kingdom 2 doesn’t really care… Kingdom 2 has a big province in it, so kingdom 1 asks for the trade, they trade thus making kingdom 1 better.
Heres another situation:
Lets say someone is trying to run a “bank”, so they create 5 provinces, and play all 5 until the best province is certain. So they trade that province into the kingdom that they really want to be in leaving the other 4 alone.
I suggest trading accounts from player to player, not trading provinces.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Hmm.. wouldnt it make more since to instead of allowing “Account sitting” which i’m assuming is rather than leaving, and putting your prov in vacation mode, you’re going to allow crosslogging.. better method might be under prefs screen to have a chooser to add allowed to access my prov screen.. that way your user/pass is safe, and you’re basically giving proxy rights to your prov.. so once they enter their “universal wol/gen” password they could have a list like
Choose Account to Access :
Wol
Real Account (5:4)
Other Account (5:4) P
Some Friend (3:21) P
Gen
Real Account (12:3)
Old Buddy (1:4) P
Some Girl (4:12) P
and you just click the account to login.. I’d hope proxy rights would in some way autoexpire, or the account just becomes inaccessable to proxy with inactivity of the actual owning account.. (email confirm)
Otherwise.. how about premium just allows you to access an “Autocast” screen where your prov can designate up to 3-4 auto-recast spells instead of allowing account “Sitting”
who wouldnt pay for auto recast of MP, IA, NB, etc if vortex’d or expired as long as you had mana?
seems better than promoting crosslogging.. but I do like my proxy login screen too :)
October 17th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Nice idea (about the recast) , Zim312 !
even though I dont have a premium acc, that will sure make me jealous or even get me to pay for one.
anyway there are alot of problems with the idea of swapping provs, as mentioned above .
maybe allow swapping provs only in the 2 days be4 the game actually “begin” to move?
October 17th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Soulless:
Considering a lot of kingdoms pick theme, setup etc together, and are sometimes very dependent on keeping certain provinces (only mystic, only EL, cow etc) in the kingdom then a province disappearing if someone change kingdom will only lead to people cheating to keep it. That’s what I had in mind. The idea behind the new system is to remove the cheating elements of the game and make it more honest is it not? Just trying to detect what things might go wrong now already.
silly Soulless ;)
zomg:
“should be a rule like waiting 4 ages or something before you can choose what kingdoms to swap into.”
4 ages is a year. I know many players quit and come back, quit and come back. Why would I wait a year to trade in anywhere? I would quit before I even got back in and I would never return. Who the kingdoms want to trade in where should be up to the kingdoms and no one else. If they want to take someone new then let them, if they want to take a returner then why not?
Zim312:
There is a rather big diffrence between sitting and trading in the long run and will hopefully be rather helpful during the summer time when a lot of kingdoms take time of cause so many leave. Would be fun if it would be action year round and not 3 months off during summertime, and sitting allowed would help with that.
And in my eyes your proxy login screen is just as bad as xlogging unless it’s more restricted.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
OMAC, the whole idea of trading accounts and swapping accounts is terrible, you are destorying the rules of this game..
You should focus more on relations between kds, how kds war, and race/personality…
If you start to allow trading and having people make their own kds, you will quickly learn that new people will have no chance of getting in a good kd to learn how to play this game from experience players…I hope you really thinking about what you are doing becuze from the sounds of it, it sounds like this game is going to be destroyed…
Take my advice whatever way you wish, i have been playing this game for 12 yrs and have seen many changes done to this game for that time period..
October 17th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Wow… haven’t played the game for a couple of years now but was checking back at this site since I came to think of the game and considered taking it up again… Just for fun, or perhaps to hook up with some old chat buddies, wondering what’s going on in their lives etc.
BUT now… these changes really seems over the top and I instantly get that same feeling it will kill the game. The whole competition of being a SK and hitting the highest ranks on the lists will no longer be any interesting since anyone with enough sparetime and dedication could do it all by himself.
It’s SUPPOSED to be a struggle to get all your 25 lazy swedes (I’m one), malaysians, phillis, americans and -dutch- ppl to login and do their part.
The struggle to make perfect teamwork and strategy with 25 individuals is the whole point of the game! Ofcourse SK have always taken shortcuts to be able to compete over time, replacing players lost etc, since achieving that edge is also a strong motivator, but this change of policy must be harmful to the spirit of the game. The frustration of seeing irrational noobs doing weird things like building no defense is a charm of the game. As a SK player I gotta say I sometimes longed for the casual gameplay of a ghetto or semighetto KD that could have good times and bad times.
Anyway, I could rant a long time about my feelings towards the game it seems… Sadly my conclusion must be that I won’t be going back to play it if this is going to be the new format.
Cheers friends of old!
October 17th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Bullseye
If you weren’t gone for a few years you would know the game is almost dead now. This will bring it back to life I think. And this is NOT legalizing xlogging. I have confidence in OMAC to restrict the system to prevent over abuse. There will be natural ways around that, but thats no different then now. Great job OMAC, keep up the great work bringing Uto back to glory!
October 17th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
As a player that DID return, I kinda have to say this…
I think a lot of old timers considering joining are like me. They liked the game, they would like to return, but starting afresh in a ghetto doesn’t sound very tempting at all. Legal invite/trading would make that unnecessary. I think, that for a limited period atleast it is a very good idea.
I have confidence in multying and xlogging still being out. Having a friend being able to play my account for me while I’m on RL holiday though, that’d be great :)
I don’t think the new folks only will have ghettos. There are always people that take up residence in a ghetto to help out. Why would they disappear again. And even if more SKs pop up, that should allow for more fun warring. A lot of the game seem to revolve around trying to get rid of inactives so that you can war properly after.
My apologies for rambling, it’s past my bedtime, and I need some sleep.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Like the idea it’s finally good that it is allowed to trade in friends into your kd’s and for those who is worried about x-loggers and one guy running tons of provinces there is nothing preventing people from doing this now anyway so what’s the fuzz…
If a person really honestly want to sit with 25 provinces good luck I say. Don’t think overall this will pose a big problem and if worst comes to worst we have a bunch of more kd’s in play.
October 18th, 2008 at 1:05 am
Interesting changes. What would prevent a kingdom from trading in a bank midway through a war with resources to slay/fund dragons and aid the kingdom(providing you go to war with 24 provs).
How about limiting the trading of provinces to protection phase only? Once the kingdom comes out of protection there is no more trading for the age? I do have alot of former players who would really like to come back for an age or so and relive good times.
Sitting is bad idea. If you must add it maybe limit the logins they can do per day to once
If you are allowed unlimited trades, there would have to be something to prevent 25 players from the same country playing together?
October 18th, 2008 at 4:44 am
Good job OMAC!
I hope what you do is trading ACCOUNT not PROVINCE. Like what ‘Suggestion’ mentioned.
By this move, you gain business income from practice that was benefiting other services (proxies, munk, etc). I hope the price isn’t too low comparred to munk+proxy.
I’m waiting for the new guide.
October 18th, 2008 at 5:14 am
There are so many flaws in this proposal
If premium account is allowed to babysit, does that mean people can PAY TO XLOG?
What if I just random into a kingdom, explore all the acres available in that kingdom before asking another kingdom to accept me, isnt that unfair?
How about I BABYSIT 3 PROVINCES, one full of gc, one full of sols, then a monarch accept me first account in, i give away all my gc then defect, same to the pv full of sols before finally landing my formal account into the kd. that is an abuse to the system
Im against premium account
October 18th, 2008 at 6:17 am
Nowhere does it say you can move a province into another kd. You have 3 options:
1. When you create, you can have your awaiting activation province moved into a friendly kd.
2. You can switch provinces with another person. Your provinces don’t change kd, but the person playing them does.
3. You can take over someone else’s province, without them taking yours. If this is the case, your current province will be deleted.
As for babysitting, i am sure there are going to be restraints on it. Like limited time, time between other person going on holidays and you being able to take over it. It was posted on the boards that people would only be able to sit 1 account at a time.
Although i do think there are loopholes/possible abuses with the system proposed, none of them have been posted in this thread. I will wait for OMAC to post their new code and further explain these rules before i comment on whether they cover them or not.
October 18th, 2008 at 6:25 am
an idea could be to allow babysitting for only the monarch but not allow him to make any offensive actions against anyone. no attacking, spells or thievery ops.
Possibly with the transfer reduce the province down to its starting point 250acre or so and make them build from there. that would prevent resource whoring and then trading in.
October 18th, 2008 at 6:43 am
Rich Says:
October 17th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Restarting both Gen & WoL together?? Stand by for server overload! That’ll probably screw up our election, too! Ofc thats already happened, but…
They are not on the same server so both starting 30 minutes apart should not have an effect on the servers.
October 18th, 2008 at 8:13 am
it is a good idea, but there are really bad effects on it.
first is, there is a possibility of having 1 nationality in 1 kingdom.
second, more cheats involved like x logging.
third, there is a possibility, one person can handle 1 kingdom. (if he is really that addict)
4th, gap between SKD and Ghetto.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Top kingdoms can log into any province in their kd using things such as munk or other programs/scripts so all this will do is even the playing field to a small degree.
It also gives medium/lower kds an opportunity to fill their kingdoms and compete with the so-called “filthy cheats” on a level playing field.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
If you allow trading then do only allow it for a limitted time! And do only do it to legalize current traded kingdoms and to bring old time players back with their previous kingdoms.
Trading isnt needed if its possible to get good randoms, which it havent been the last couple of ages. Its a lot of the beauty in the game that you play with random people and have to teach some of them how to play.
Also do not allow babysitting, its way to close to xlogging, so if people are on vacation they’ll have to use the vacation mode.
October 18th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Krynn Says:
October 18th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
The game was being ruled and ruined by alliances already. now with the “picking” Swapping” and sitting, there will be only a few Kingdoms that will be large and organized while others putting together teams will never have a chance at the top spots.
thinking this will be the end of a great game.
premium account holder Krynn
October 18th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
While Utopia is unique for not allowing kingdom selection up until this point, the purists have to realize one thing. We aren’t in 2000 anymore. The norm for online games allows for kingdom/guild/clan selection anymore. No doubt, this turns away potential new players because they cannot play with their friends. The state of online gaming has changed. It’s about time for Utopia to catch up.
October 18th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
errr, to fix my previous post…
“kingdom/guild/clan selection. The lack of this no doubt turns away….”
yeah, i just woke up :)
October 18th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
lol @ quote from Diamonds”i’ve been playing for 12 years” rofl
the rest of you, who cares about these changes its been happening since the beginning of the game.
October 18th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
and i love how some of you old school players, assuming the names are the same people, are pretending like you have never traded or been in a traded kd ROFL… its really amusing.
October 18th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
I have always supported good changes, but this one….. is just…..
sure there are a huge buncha cheaters at the top, but you have just removed a huge part of what Utopia is…. a game whereby you random MOSTLY in to a kingdom and get mostly randoms etc… and slowly make friends and build up from there…
I really dont know what you all are thinking really, but you better think long and hard about this.
October 18th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Great job omac. These where the changes i was hoping for when you took over the game.
October 18th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
@Edgar - if the stated purpose of the 30 min stagger was to lessen the server loads then there must have been *some sort effect! If theres not then why bother?
It seems to me this new approach will enable the “forbidden” forcing of new players to give up their provinces so the Monarch can trade in somebody he wants.
But Catwalk is probably loving it! ;D
October 18th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Account sitting.. UGH.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Account sitting isn’t going to unbalance the game. I’m sure they aren’t going to allow a single account to play all 25 provinces… besides, how many losers like that are in Utopia anyways?
I’ve been trying to get people into the game for a long time now, and the biggest hurdle has been that they have to play with strangers and not me. I was lucky to grab an account in my KD for my GF. She would never have joined otherwise.
While this is technically “illegal”, we don’t abuse the fact that we’re in the same KD, and as such I feel no moral dilemma about it.
This change will encourage many players to join the game. Old and new.
One thing I would like OMAC to implement is a credit card validation or some such thing so that people can’t have more than one account. The game could still remain free, but this would ensure no one has multiple accounts. (Barring them using friends CC’s and stuff…) It would at least limit it, and eliminate scripting.
So all in all: good job OMAC!
October 18th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Perhaps a 1$ fee to start an account, even from a PayPal account or something along those lines for those who are uncomfortable giving their CC number.
October 19th, 2008 at 5:40 am
comport9 Says:
October 18th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
One thing I would like OMAC to implement is a credit card validation or some such thing so that people can’t have more than one account. The game could still remain free, but this would ensure no one has multiple accounts. (Barring them using friends CC’s and stuff…) It would at least limit it, and eliminate scripting.
You do realize that a majority of people who play Utopia are minors and many do not have credit cards. So though it would perhaps help stop a few problems it would likley cause a drop in players at the same time. The game doesn’t need anything that will cause a drop in players as it has suffered enough from a loss of players over the last few years.
October 19th, 2008 at 5:46 am
Well I never noticed a problem when BF and WoL both were set to the same times and then there were far more people playing Utopia than there are now. Gen and WoL have never started on the same day. Though I can not remember the reason it was setup 30 minutes earlier than WoL and BF I do not believe it was to help prevent server overload.
October 19th, 2008 at 7:05 am
LOL at changes!
This is BS. I am okay with trading but that “sitting” is pure shit! that means an easy thing.
player: king, i can’t attack in 7 hours when my army comes home.
king: okay, i’ll do it.
lol
well would be fun for an age test:))
all kds will be full online all the time! activity will increase a lot :))
OMAC, just leave the game as it is and get some changes at play style but not on accounts management.
I was hoping to see something like:”raze will be again worth in wars and will make possible the pk “. That’s what I’d call a change and not the ” let’s x-log “changes!
Hope u won’t consider the babysitting thing!
October 19th, 2008 at 8:14 am
I don’t know why everyone is claiming that account trading and sitting will ruin the game.
Why are account trading and xlogging bad now? Because they’re illegal, and only the people who know how to do it without getting caught are able to.
Now that average Joe six pack is able to x-log, it’s fair.
October 19th, 2008 at 8:30 am
the idea behind trading is interesting
we all know that top kds are trading anyway, we also know they are xlogging … so i bet OMAC thought - if this is available to a “selected few”, let`s give to all people this option
so, let`s see the next age
October 19th, 2008 at 8:49 am
There will have to be a stipulation to account sitting - like 24 hour log out perioid or longer to prevent immediate cross logging for wars or something like that.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
# Chuppa Says:
October 19th, 2008 at 8:14 am
I don’t know why everyone is claiming that account trading and sitting will ruin the game.
Why are account trading and xlogging bad now? Because they’re illegal, and only the people who know how to do it without getting caught are able to.
Now that average Joe six pack is able to x-log, it’s fair.
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No, the legalizing xlogging will ruin the game, it will ruin the team aspect in the game. Instead of having to cooperate with the other people in the kingdom, and if that aspects of the game disappears, then the game doesnt really have anything left.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
This would be a good experiment. But this would hurt mostly other players who cant join a good KD. There would be a KD that would rule and conquer.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
There is one other concern if this trading involves credit card account.
I once have a player that delete his province at EOA, not giving to us because his account is related to his e-mail and credit card account.
I hope OMAC also fix this payment system. get more selection of payment too, I might purchase some if I needed (and cheap enough for me, since *cough* I’m from Indonesia)but I’m not going to open a CC account just for utopia. I have my own reasons to not opening a CC account.
Btw, OMAC, you need to put more about these changes. More strict. Like tell us what is your definition of sitting, such as how long.
Thank You
October 19th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
I like the concept. Partially eliminate the advantage of cheaters by incorporating their techniques into the game and making them universally available. Interesting…
October 19th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
So this mean i will never be able to random into a top KD bcos it will always be filled with this trading system. So because i’m a low profile i wont get the chance or invitation to play for top KDS.
Doesnt seem fair.
I rather see this implimented into Gen server where otherwise the ‘main’ world server wil lose its appeal to newer player.
October 19th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Also look at bringing back razes. It co’incides with what real wars should be fought like :D
October 19th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Terrible news and plans. This will end up in a lot of x-login or do you have a way to control that? Or can not my brother play in the same Kingdom as I do ?
The nice with all games is to meet people and meet new people. One idea can be that you make a big series of divisions of it. Players with success will advance to a “higher” kingdom and the one that are inactive and playing bad will fell down to the next division. The score can be based on the honor i.e. or a modified version of it. Activity, success and helping others in the Kingdom should be the key to the score. I.e. the three or five best provinces in the Kingdom advance the the higher division. The 3-5 wth less score will fell down to a lower division. This will end up that the best players are playing togther and newbees can fight in the bottom. Attacking a province in a lower division will of cause get no score.
The divisions can be a strait one with equal number of Kingdom in each level. It can be quite wide and maybe 5-10 levels high.
If this is not for WoL it can be something for Gen.
October 19th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
oh please, talk and whine about cheating all you want but if its legal, and a good idea, why whining? why waiting the system any other way anyway?
hundreds of MMORPG do successfully exactly what OMAC is trying to implement besides the paying sitting thing. i think OMAC wants to put sitting as a personal thing rather than a kd wide or monarch decision. trying to make some control over those allegations of X-log etc.. besides. ive read a thread about what X-log is and those trying to debate it and it seems most ppl just uses the word and it’s misunderstading to try somehow to say something coherent. why trying to talk about those things relevently or not? sway some mind? for who’s benefit?
October 19th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
I think you all are wrong, legalizing won’t spawn more SK’s, if anything it might hurt SK’s, as they will lose the edge they had by illegal trading, x-loging and such. This will level the playing field not make it worse IMO.
October 19th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
I have never seen where anyone had a problem getting into a SK as long as they are super active which is about all they require. All you have to do is hang around on Mirc and ask. I have been asked so many times to join more kds than I can count. All The changes will do is make it legal so you do not have to be from the country that the province was originally setup from. There isn’t a single top kd that has 100% or even close to 100% random members. They all are traded into to get as active a kd as possible. Low active kds will never be top kds, but there is still a place for them in utopia since they make up the majority of utopian kds.
With the new trading system it will allow players to join kds that match their activity. How many Low activity players have randomed into a top kd just to be forced to leave or be killed. Now you will have a option without taking defection losses to get into a kd that matches you activity or into a kd wityh RL friends whichever the case maybe. Then it will also allow you to bring in RL friends into your kd which in turn will bring new blood into the game. IMO it can only help the game. Those who are going to cheat are already doing so and this will not cause an increase.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:52 am
“ou will be able to either move your province to the kingdom of your choice – with consent from the monarch of that kingdom, and provided the kingdom actually has space for you”
Please do not allow provinces to be moved into kingdoms after the age has started. If a player wants to join a targeted kingdom after the age has started they should need to make a new province in the targeted kingdom (with the monarch’s permission.)
Exploring is currently greatly overpowered and only kept in check in limiting the explore pool. A top kingdom that wishes to “win” the age would be best to have all members start in random kingdoms, explore up to be top provinces and then later move into their “real” kingdom.
As long as players are not allowed to move existing provinces at will into targeted kingdoms the rest of the plan should work out.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:56 am
Additionally, if you’re going to do the whole “pay to sit” thing, please at least limit the number of accounts one player can sit to only one other province. It would be very bad if you allowed one or a few players to legally “sit” a whole kingdom.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:19 am
“With the new trading system it will allow players to join kds that match their activity. How many Low activity players have randomed into a top kd just to be forced to leave or be killed. Now you will have a option without taking defection losses to get into a kd that matches you activity or into a kd wityh RL friends whichever the case maybe. Then it will also allow you to bring in RL friends into your kd which in turn will bring new blood into the game. IMO it can only help the game. Those who are going to cheat are already doing so and this will not cause an increase.”
Wholeheartedly agree with this.
I’m hoping that by formal account sitting, OMAC means to say that when someone is going to be unavailable for a large period of time, let’s say going to the army for example, that there will then be a formal process by which the ownership of the account is passed on to someone else who takes care of the province until the owner can resume playing. This is what I understand by “formal account sitting”. Under this system, only one person is using the account within a given time period. That way extenuating life circumstances don’t force a province to go into a vacation mode for an indefinite period of time which would handicap them. If this is what OMAC means, then yes I think it’s a good change.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:43 am
From a Utopia Forum Post
The first thing that came to my mind when i read the blog post about legal trading was shock and disbelief. I originally thought that this is going to be the end.
A big part of the experience of playing utopia has died.
Then after some careful thought… this idea may actually be crazy enough to bring utopia back to life and allow new players to compete by getting together with their friends… it may jsut bring utopia back to 130k players or even more.
A new idea, a new beginning for a new generation of gamers.
But i hope this suggestion is taken seriously that every province traded, swapped ETC ETC, basically ANY PROVINCE which opts to use any of these new “options” you are providing will have a mark PERMANENTLY beside its name.
ETC like a ~ sign or SOMETHING which SIGNIFIES that this province has utilized this option.
Its not to dishonour or put to shame those who opt for such a thing but in order to give some form of pride to a kingdom built the old way, with randoms.
So that at the end of the day, when i lead my kingdom of randoms bulilt painstakingly over the last 5-6 years, i can proudly say that none of us have been traded or used any option to bring in good players.
I am not asking for any penalty or bonus to the old style players and the new but just a mark to show clearly for everyone to see those who would take the effort to do it the old way. =)
Just my 2 cents worth.
October 20th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Great changes! Finally controlling trading and sitting.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
bad idea
October 20th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
I thinking allowing trading at the start of the age is a good step to get older players back in the game. But i agree with coss and asf on there points.
Sitting will just cause more xlogging, we dont need that.
Possibly allowing only new provinces to move into kds would eb wise.. I could see much abuse of this system if allowed to move in other provicnes, guys can then recruit big ghetto provinces and move into kd to jump in ranks which would be garabge.
Also raze back would be uber cool, it is good for war kds, this is a wargame afterall
October 20th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
It’s a change. And all change is good imo. The game has stagnated and is losing players for each consecutive age. They have to try something.
And they may be on to something considering SKDs can always acquire accounts and trade in the right players. Ghetto kingdoms will of course have the same goals and dreams as any SKD, but not able to pull it off.
The time is right for this change. Not that I say that I like it much. But it’s the right thing to do imo. It hasnt been tried before. So experiment with it. If it DOESNT work out. Then just go back to normal. No harm done.
I want to stress that this should be an opportunity to legally trade to make a solid kd in the long run. It shouldnt be legalized xlogging. Hence I DO hope there will be some significant restrictions on how OFTEN you can trade and how OFTEN you are allowed to legally babysit.
Then again restrictions should preferably not only apply to those not smart enough to apply remote desktopping / proxies. And remote desktopping cant really be stopped. So maybe restricting the amount of trades / babysitting activity will be a bad idea, as it holds back the less experienced and favours others based on a non-utopia area.
If all are given equal opportunities to organize and equal opportunities at (previously illegal) activity - then the difference between kingdoms will be solely based on strategy, politics and coordination. (gonna put some extra pressure on OMAC to provide a satisfying set of changes and balancing the game properly, or alternatively mixing it up and changing the formulas about now and then).
October 20th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
25 proxies for sale
PM me on irc
October 20th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
and omac will delete the kingdom with a push of a button.
and they are more likely to do so because they dont do permanent dmg
October 20th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
How about just making you able to specify which kingdom you wish to defect to. I mean in real life if you defect from say a country i’m sure your gonna choose where you go. Why not make you able to determine where you go to when you defect. And just maybe up the loss of land or w/e a tiny amount to compensate for it.
October 21st, 2008 at 5:04 am
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October 21st, 2008 at 7:42 am
allowing trading is horrible for utopia!
the fact that you cant choose who to play with is the biggest force that keeps this game alive.
if you want to experiment, do it on the genesis server, thats what it’s there for.
dont ruin the hard work of several ages that people spent to build their kd!
even though many kds trade and sit, it is still a hard thing to do and doesnt happen that often. making it official will officialy ruin this game.
i seriously believe that this feature is what makes utopia better than other boring war games!
October 21st, 2008 at 7:46 am
yes Erez was right…
this definitely kill the game…
just try it on genesis first…
genesis server is a experimental server why u dont try it on that server…
i would go and make another new likely utopia game if this things are implemeted by OMAC…
SAY no TO TRADING AGE
October 21st, 2008 at 7:54 am
ill have to elaborate my reply -
if u compare wol to gen, wol was allways so much more serious and interesting, simpyl because you had your own kd, which you worked hard to keep as it is, and you know that it will stay and want to make it better.
once trading is allowed, you wont really have to work so hard to make a good wol kd, u just need friends.
whenever I get a new player in my kd now, i try to teach him, and talk to him, and encourage him. what will happen if i know i can just trade anyone in? id kill any noob who starts randomly in my kd (if that would still happen) and i would never get to know new people from all around the world. the whole special utopian interaction that has held the game since its beginning would die.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:05 am
Personally I think these are good changes.
I’ve played Utopia for a good number of years, and I have gone on breaks in between. It’s really discouraging as Utopia is losing good players, and every age I come back from a break I end up in a ghetto. It’s also really hard to get friends started when they too end up in seperate ghettos and it’s really hard to pick up the game and get it organised. If there’s one thing I’ve learnt in all that time spent with ghettos, it’s that even if they learn the game, more than half the time they don’t learn the spirit. You just have 20 properly built provinces who can’t play properly as a team.
Let’s face it, the SKs have been trading for years, legal or not. I’ve been offered to trade before because of my activity. Keeping it illegal isn’t going to change anything in this aspect. Making it legal, however, makes it easier to band up with your friends and old mates, rather than looking to trade into a SK for any hopes of ending your career in a ghetto.
I don’t think anything was mentioned about when this trading would take place, but I would presume it should only be carried out before the age starts, or before the first 72 hours are over, in which case mid-age swapping shouldn’t be a problem.
As for the sitting, I think we should wait for OMAC to come out with the details. Personally I think it’s fair for a prov to be sitted if the player has any issues that requires him to be absent for an extended period of time, such as work and hospitalisation. What’s important is restricting the utilities which sitting would allow. Personally a sat account shouldn’t be able to attack or conduct offensive actions.
There should also be restrictions to time periods, for example a minimum time where a prov can be sat, during which the owner of the prov’s account would not be able to access like vacmode.
I don’t see why so many people are against these things before the details are even ironed out, and when it’s not like none of this hasn’t happened even before it’s put in the rulebook and legalised. It can’t possibly kill the game any faster than the game has been dying by itself the past few years.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:19 am
Erez, I believe trading noobs out would be less of a problem. It should require the consent of the province being traded out, and in which case he didn’t perform up to the KD’s standard he would have been removed by force anyway. This is just me, but I’m always willing to take in newbies who are willing to learn and listen. It’s up to the individual player.
October 21st, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Well, lots of complaining here? isnt this what ppl have been wanting? too be able too trade friends in etc?
i have one idea (yes only one, im sooo smart)
KD can make a specific numbers of trades each age (ex 2 trades)
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:08 am
I think it would be really nice to have the option to not use free building credits/specialist credits if we want to save them. For example, I have 1 million gc, 3K soldiers, and 1K free spec credits, and I am about to go to war. I want to train 2K soldiers, but I want to keep my credits. It would be nice to choose to use or not use free credits if we want to save them for a time when we are in a tighter pinch.
October 22nd, 2008 at 7:45 am
lol
interesting…
…the highest bidder can get me now :P
October 22nd, 2008 at 8:23 am
Another change I would like to see is the shadowlight spell… It’s effectively useless, since it trips on the first action taken against you regardless whether that action is naturally identified otherwise.
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:41 pm
I HOPE that this idea works out well, but I forsee MANY potential problems with it. A few are:
1. If the monarch has the say over who will be traded in, then that gives the monarch a TREMENDOUS amount of power in the kingdom. Let’s say someone new comes into an established (but not super kingdom) and becomes monarch due to whatever reason you might come up with. They could easily stuff their kingdom with provinces sympathetic to themselves and then go after the more established members once they have reached a majority of the provinces in the kingdom.
2. The problem of super kingdoms, bots, etc. becoming even more powerful (as described adequately by others above).
3. The problem of new players being hurt by these changes (kingdoms not wanting anyone except their friends to join so killing off other provinces that they don’t control).
BUT THE THING THAT I FEAR MOST IS THIS:
A reshuffle. Why a resuffle? Because if the trading idea doesn’t work and fails miserably, with kingdoms filling up with 25 friends and dominating the game or EVEN WORSE with 25 provinces that the same person controls, to reestablish the correct order and flow to the game, OMAC will have to reset things to break up the super kingdom blocks of provinces. This is what I fear most: a forced separation from the friends I have made over the years of playing this game.
To prevent this, please OMAC, track who is traded and who is not so that you can reset the kingdoms to the way they were at the START of the next age and not be forced to do a complete reshuffle.
October 23rd, 2008 at 4:27 am
“Please note however that this system is experimental, and is likely to only be available to you on the World of Legends server.”
Please inform us that this is a ‘typo’ and u meant “Genesis” server for an experimental system, u can mess up genesis and not many will notice or care but screw up WoL and what is left? Genesis?
lol
October 23rd, 2008 at 4:38 am
and what about my lifetime platinum service, will I keep it to be free of all the annoying ads and spyware viruses they create?
and will I also qualify for the “new premium feature”?
so it sounds like now folks will legally be able to cheat but have to pay for the “new feature(s)” or maybe just a misunderstanding and u will make it more clear will details in the near future
so i’ll wait to see but I also enjoy the game for what it was intended, skill, team work and meeting folks worldwide,
there should defenitly be some restrictions to allowing folks access to others accts and trading accts
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 am
If you absolutely have to implement the babysitting feature, then at least do it so there’s a 24 hours notice where no one can login on the account, in order to make sure that its only when people are away for several days it will be used, not just when people will miss a hit. Then it would be ok.
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Fully agree with the “GoGators1983″ post dated 22nd october.
One additional remark: Who is gonna learn those rookies, who will randomly appear in the ghetto’s, where the more active and experienced guys left?
@ OMAC: I am sure you lads try to do your best, but I really regret you gonna change the Code (which was the basics of this game). If Mehul refused to give in on it during 12 years, he might have had his reasons?
You have my email. I invite you to take a look inside my WoL kd-forum, to get an idea what people with a RL, but part of a very good, non-trading, non-sitting team think about the future “fairness” in this game.
October 23rd, 2008 at 4:20 pm
It is a terrible idea to allow trading into the province of one’s choice. This will lead to hand-picked kingdoms. Part of the fun of this game is dealing with newbies and inactives, and meeting new people that come into one’s kingdom.
The people clamoring for the ability to defect to the kingdom of one’s choice, are the same people who are border-line cheaters anyway. This will discourage gameplay in the end, I fear.
October 24th, 2008 at 5:12 am
well… the last bastion of integrity this game still had was fun while it lasted :-P
i guess the game will eventually ONLY be played by 25 people who live in the same area (or 5 if they know what they are doing) and that will be the way you HAVE to play if you want to get anywhere…
ah well… it’ll be fun to watch newcomers have absolutely no idea what they are doing and not have any ability to learn from experienced players as all said experienced players will have gone into larger LEGALLY traded kds…. wow… legally traded….. i feel so dirty saying that after all of these years…
October 24th, 2008 at 9:15 am
I agree with people saying legalizing trading is a bad idea.
October 24th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
I say let them try these changes this round and see how it goes…then you can bash all you want.
I believe these changes will bring in more players, which is the bottom line for me, and if only that part of the new changes works out, then I’ll be happy.
And people think that the so called ghettos will suffer most from these changes, I don’t think so.
There are still a few of us that have been around since the beginning that want to work our way up the ladder again, teaching as we go getting gratifacation from helping others that WANT to learn to learn the game.
Even the ghettos now can bring in their ghetto friends:)
The only ones that will suffer are those new to the game that are not willing to learn, and just log a couple times/week anyways, and from my point of view, who cares.
There will always be SK
There will always be Middle kingoms
There will always be n00b kingdoms
Only now you can be with your friends legally:)
October 24th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
I agree with account trading/moving, but only if it is done near the start of the Age, or before OOP on a new province. Account sitting if there are strict rules and requierments. What I, and MANY people would like to know is how are the races going to be affected for next age. Would you be bringing back another race? Perhaps modifying the current races? My KD, and im sure plenty others would like to know this to work out a stratergy for next age.
October 25th, 2008 at 5:41 am
I don’t know what happened to my previous posts…. but like i said… I miss T/Ms acting as a second option to being able to play the game… T/M ops are so weak I don’t even bother to defend against it anymore….
October 25th, 2008 at 5:45 am
To Krazy:
Believe it or not some of us who have been playing here for a very long time have never traded accounts.. I’ve seen it…. I’ve reported it… I’ve known about it… But, I never did it myself… I also never joined an alliance, or tried to be a multi… Just because you are a lowlife doesn’t mean everyone else is…..
October 25th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
i like the idea they said they were jus going to try it out so if it gets to radical then they will jus stop…I know that i have a few friends who i have played utopia with for a long time…would really enjoy being able to play in the same kingdom….As for the xlogging if they only allow 1 account it shouldnt be too much of a problem
October 25th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
I still think it would be better to try this in Gen 1st.
At the very least have two servers, ala BF and WoL, and try it on BF for all the cheaters to play their power games.
October 26th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Legalized trading = Good.
Account sitting = Bad idea.
October 26th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
hey guys.. i would really like to know the race changes as soon as possible.
i really dont like the account sitting plan voor premium members.. they are slowly but stadiddly turning this game in a paid game.. making it a must to pay if you still wanna kick as..
the account swapping.. i dont know about that, well see
thnx swirve for all the hard work, but please… dont make me pay?!
:P
October 26th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
I’ll stop as soon as those who pay get an advantage over those who don’t pay. The cool thing about utopia is the eqaulity of the base. If you start to pay to get advantages or “Visit and subcribe to this sponsor to get 200 acres - it’s free and very easy” - if that happends.. I’ll curse the new people and see Utopia die in a year or two, maybe 6 months or less.
PLEASE keep the game straight and fair with no “buyable” or “subscribable” advantages. Thats Utopia - free for all.
As far as sitting - we can always be heading for a2-3 days trip without internet, then MAYBE it would be nice to just have a service where you say: “This guy is taking care of my account for 2-3 days”. 2-3 days is annoying to be gone without anyone nursing your province and vacation mode is forced A LOT of days.. and you don’t wanna be out for so long.
October 28th, 2008 at 5:04 am
Agree with Arctic_Bees. Keep Utopia free & fair for all.
October 28th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Allowing account trading is not free and fair for all…. New players finding the game will be put in a crap KD cause all the good KDs will be the best recruiters….. This will not expand the number of players who play this game as each new player will get stomped and lose interest in the game… If OMAC isn’t going to create revenue through working to expand it’s player base, then it will have to charge a premium….. Sorry the whole world can’t be free to you, perhaps you can go to a Ferrari Dealer and expect them to loan you a car… Servers costs money, monitors like David cost money… Electric bills cost money…. This may be fantasy land to some of you people… but it is plugged into a real electric outlet… and electricity costs money…. You can’t have it both ways… And if the game turns into Super Elite KDs and explorer ghettos and I can’t buy myself some power with a credit card… I am done playing after 10 real years..
October 28th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
I personally think the monarch spot should be sold for real money and the voting process eliminated… You buy it… no one in your own KD can attack you but you can attack them and look at their info….. all kinds of monarch perks in exchange for hard cash…. of course, a monarch can renew for the next age, and keep the same KD… kind of like a keeper fantasy sports league….. I’ld turn this site into a huge profit and not care what any of you thought… business is about making money… Ideology about a stupid free game is for kiddies
October 28th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
“Ideology about a stupid free game is for kiddies”
but if most of the game isnt free then the game will not generate enough intrest in the world population to keep itself running because it wont be able to keep up with the server costs. business might be about “cold hard cash” al, but did you ever stop to think that people including those who pay for monarch spot will stop playing because the population will dwindle down to a sorry sore few. it will be nothing but SK vs SK because there will be no one else left and at that point the game probably wont be making enough money and be closed down litterally ruining utopia for EVERYONE.
i have no issues with the trading system as long as its limited(you can only trade once per age or as noted above your province name gets some kind of a symbol beside it to show you were traded. as well per kingdom limiting the number of people you can trade per age(2-3) that way things can still be kept fairly fair for both sides.
and the account sitting theng should be set up in a manner similiar to vacation mode, but the person sitting the account has very limited actions to keep your province running without completely reversing everything the province has done up to that point. as well as havign time constraints on it (limiting time between actions in the babysitting thing (ie 24 hours before you have the ability to do something, or 24 hours between your actions overall in the province you are sitting — ie.. go in do everythgin then wait for another 24 hours before you can go in again– to prevent cheatin durring wars) as well if a kd is in war the prov should have like a protection type thign on it where it cant attck out or be attacked , or have a limited number of attacks sent and recieved over a 24 hour time period.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
allowing account trading will do nothing to help super-kingdoms, they already trade illegally and get away with it age after age(thats why there the super kingdoms they know how to do it). This will help mediocre kingdoms bring friends into the game that otherwise might not want to play for fear of ending up in a “ghetto” kingdom I’ve been there before. play for some 3 years, delete my account cause i didn’t’ have time to play anymore, create a new account 6 months later and end up in a less then desirable kingdom, i was planning on this being my last age, but the prospect of getting back into my old kingdom is intriguing.
Just slap a restriction as defection has, once or twice per age with additional watch-guards on the account to stop multis, if possible.
October 28th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
please tell me there well actually be some in game changes, not just a few changes to the log in feature:(
October 29th, 2008 at 1:08 am
wow…. if they are going to do that, it will be pros and cons..
ghettos and SK - gap will be bigger.
hmmm… if they are going to do that, im thinking to return to the game. and probably to my old kd.
(Stella…. is that the Stella i knew of?)
October 29th, 2008 at 6:45 am
I like the idea of legalizing account trading. Everyone knows the SuperKD already account trade heavily. Visit irc.utonet.org for proof.
By legalizing account trading, now legitimate players, can have the same advantage that cheaters have had for years.
I look forward to watching the changes, If they are good, I will even consider donating.
October 29th, 2008 at 7:16 am
selling the monarch spots would not stop people from playing Jannette… FREE regular accounts would still exist… and you know all the poor people who play this game will still play… In case you haven’t noticed… there isn’t much in this world that is FREE to do…. what is going to hurt is these super elite KDs and explorer ghettos from account trading… new players will find the game, open an account and either get told they have to trade their account or get killed off in a elite KD… or get no help learning the game in the inactive ghetto…. That will be the demise of this game…. OMAC isn’t smart enough to create profits however they can… They are software people, not businessmen….. and yes servers, game monitors, electricity all cost money….. providing a place for poor people to hang out barely pays for any of that in ad revenues which is why Mehul finally grew up and went and got himself a real job and gave his creation up hoping someone else would continue to keep it going..
October 29th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
HMM,.JL
October 29th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
I’ve played Utopia 4 times.
Each time, I’ve ended up in a small kingdom with a crazy monarch, a clown who spams the forum with nonsense, and then a group of quiet explorers who doesn’t care.
Each time, I’m help the monarch rule the kingdom. If the monarch is actually crazy or inactive, then people normally vote for me as monarch the following age.
Once I’m a monarch, I tend to find my favorite people and make them part of the leaders of the kingdom. We kick out farms and inactives, but they are not that many as people think.
Once the pure worthless inactive players are gone, we start making the kingdom a fun place, making the excisting crew to log in more often and read the forum. Once again, you will be suprised how many good players there are that are classed as inactive newbies. Just talk with them, make them understand the game, and then some of them become true diamonds. Only a few will remain worthless.
With an active and fun kingdom, skilled people who join usually stay, and by then, your kingdom is usually top 5 on the island every age and you’re doing better than an average kingdoms.
I’ve done this 4 times and I enjoy turning small kingdoms into something. Once the kingdom gets to good and serious, I leave the monarchy. After a few more ages, people forget who I used to be and I vanish quietly.
If trading is allowed, even at a small scale, this will be much more difficult for me to have good people randomly be placed in my kingdom. I probably won’t do it again. I would create a new account, play until some good kingdom gave me an offer to join them. I have no intrest building up something and teaching people how to play, and then have them leave our kingdom to join a kingdom with many war wins and great activity.
Don’t read this as bragging, please see the problem.
I never had anyone defect from my kingdom. The only 2 players I’ve lost to another kd are because they got asked to join a superkingdom. They did that illegally, but it only happened twice in many ages. However, if people can do it freely, I suspect I can’t keep them in my kingdom. One reason people stay is because we’re much better than the average kingdom. The grass is most likely not greener on the other side if they randomly defect.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
ive been playing 5 yrs and all the changes are things that have been going on for yrs. ive sit a province before. been asked into a super kingdom and accpeted. used proxys to sit the kingdom and to set up banks.
guess what. got tired of the sk as it became a job and thats saying something as im pretty active. stopped sitting because i cant believe a person in this day and age cant get to a computer while on vacation. it seems even a crack hotel has a computer in the lobby.
i dont make banks because i know how to play and i teach those that dont.
so all these changes are things that go on now and have since i started.
i think they need to address attack time in wol. it’s awfull. get it like it is in gen.
the crime is how platinum players are treated. im lifetime platinum and get nothing for it. so it takes ads out. big deal i had almost all blocked when i became plat. i did it for the bonus’s. so i feel ripped off. dont pay for plat as any half moron can block most if not all those adds.
im on omac’s side as they have to do something as the game is close to death. anyone who has played gen as of late can attest to. i saw kingdoms where there was one guy in the whole kingdom and he was in protection.
sorry for the long post but i love this game and hate to see it go. let him try it and if it dont work it can be changed. most people resist change. it’s natural. im normally one of those people. lets see what happens.
October 30th, 2008 at 6:00 am
One other thing that needs to get fixed… the forums going down for an hour and random failures are just getting ridiculous. The game rules so much as specifies you cannot force other members to use external communication, when the ingame forum doesn’t even work properly? Give me a break.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:01 am
It is a terrible idea to allow trading. Fun part of game like meeting new ppl and play wid them will be destroyed. This can be implemented for gen but for wol it ll just bring unfair game play. Ppl and other players who were building kd’s for ages so they can reach top will just be halted nd a simple way of legal trading gonna ruin their efforts.
If changes hv to made then it can be like adding new race or personality, adding new ops and spells. We loved Utopia we played for past several years but these steps ll just destroy the unique game play utopia had and it ll be just like any other rpg game :(
Miss u Mehul:(
November 1st, 2008 at 12:13 pm
“I have 3 kids, a wife, and I take care of 6 mentally handicapped people. Including myself, thats 11 possible accounts from this location. I’m sure I can find 14 other nearby friends whom I’ll convince to play. 25 accounts from one location is going to hurt this game.”
Ahahahahhaha what a looser family! You are just like those ..eh serbians or politely gipsies! Brood.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I would like that all above and below me know that my left testicle is sweeter than the other.
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:48 am
“We are additionally going to trial a limited form of trading/targeted kingdom selection.”
What “trial in a limited form”, once it’s done, it’s done. Unless you plan on reshuffling there isn’t any “trial” here. It’s a round of province shifting that will benefit the top tier and some mid-tiers and leave the rest worse off, permanently.
November 2nd, 2008 at 12:52 pm
This trading account and babysitting changes will kill this game! This is like encouraging multis! Why on earth do this? It will create a one hell of a chaos! I have been playing this game since the good old boat days! With si much changes and with some being rediculous one, the game is dying! With these new changes, the game is going down! Arrrggghhhh!
November 3rd, 2008 at 5:30 am
AH! I got it guys.
OMAC is letting us trade accounts to build super KD’s for a while to instill false-confidence… then in a few ages, BAM! Complete reshuffle of EVERYONE, all new KD’s.
Man, OMAC, you almost got me there, funnyman.
WTF
November 4th, 2008 at 1:38 am
GOOD! Reshuffle, I am tierd of alliances and SKD’s
November 4th, 2008 at 7:21 am
When is the round ending?
Who can still log on an attack even when it says you cannot?
November 4th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Because the new devs are amateurs.
November 4th, 2008 at 11:23 am
is the game still free?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:22 am
they should have do this trading long time ago… sigh… then i and my frends can build malaysian and singaporeans kd legit… darn… we have to kill all the nubs for 5 ages, before we can even have 15 from this region… and after we retired, they implement trading legit
sigh
November 8th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Al the trading is great,but I think you need not leave the lower kingkdoms out.by some chance a few of them should be drafted into the top50-100 kingdoms so as to give them a chance to either better or to leave the game so the better gamers can enter and stay. Some need more encouragement and help nthan others.
People can tell if you are really trying or just don’t care about playing,so use some better judgement.
When is the new age going to start back up?Thought it was suppose to get started 2 real days ago.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
whats up? i cant log onto my account or anything for the past day